Episode #1 – “Getting to Know Us”

Episode #1 – “Getting to Know Us”

Jul 06

Our inaugural episode features Tzufit and Apple Cider interviewing eachother so that the audience can get to hear our backgrounds in blogging, when we started playing WoW and what we consider our mains. Come listen and get to know us a little better and where we want the future of the podcast to go!


Apple Cider Mage’s blog: http://applecidermage.com

Tzufit’s blog: http://treehealsgowoosh.wordpress.com/

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Below the cut is a full transcript of Episode 1, “Getting to Know Us.”

Tzufit:  Hello and welcome to Justice Points, Azeroth’s social justice and feminism podcast.  This is Tzufit.

Apple Cider Mage:  And I’m Apple Cider Mage.

Tzufit:  And this is our very first episode.  Yay!

Apple Cider Mage:  Woohoo!

Tzufit:  So today we’re going to spend a little bit of time just introducing ourselves and giving you guys an idea of the sorts of topics we’ll be discussing on this podcast and maybe getting some feedback as well from people who’d like to join us in the future, or who have specific topics that they’d like to see us discuss.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yes.  We’re going to be interviewing each other for a good portion of the show so you can get to know who we are, if you aren’t fans of both of our blogs or haven’t heard about us before, you can just get a little insight into what we’re about and what we hope the show is going to accomplish in the future.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  So we will start out with getting to know Apple Cider.  So when did you start playing WoW?

Apple Cider Mage:  I actually started playing WoW in April of 2005, like way in Vanilla, woohoo!  I had never played MMORPGs before and my friend, my boyfriend at the time, came over to our house with his little MacBook and he showed me this video game called World of Warcraft.  I had never played any Blizzard games before.  I had friends that had just gotten into World of Warcraft and they had played Warcraft III.  But he came over with his laptop and was like, “Oh, there’s this new game out.  It’s called World of Warcraft!”  And he showed me his little, at the time, level 40 night elf warrior.  And, you know, level 40 a couple months into the game was like a pretty big deal.

Tzufit:  That’s a really big deal.

Apple Cider Mage:  He was so proud of it, and he showed me his little night elf warrior on a tiger, running across Westfall at night, and then going to Stranglethorn Vale, and going to Booty Bay.  And I was so blown away by how the game looked, that I was absolutely enthralled and I just had to get it.  So I entered a contest, strangely enough, because I didn’t have a job at the time, so I entered a contest to win a copy of the game and a time card.  And I actually won the contest and that’s how I got started.

Tzufit:  Wow.  Was it just like a randomly drawn thing or did you have to do something to sort of prove that you really wanted it?

Apple Cider Mage:  I had to tell an embarrassing story.  And my embarrassing story – it was something embarrassing, I think.  I want to say it was either something that happened when I was getting bullied in school or something involving vomit, actually.

Tzufit:  Oh gosh.  Well that’s definitely an interesting way to get started.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, definitely.

Tzufit:  So what has kept you playing WoW over – what for you that’s 7 years now?

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, 7 years.

Tzufit:  So what has kept you playing all this time?

Apple Cider Mage:  Mostly the people.  I mean, I am in the same guild that I’ve been in since I started.  My main has never been in another guild.  All of my alts, for the most part, are in the same guild.  It’s the people.  The game certainly is really compelling, but it’s the social aspect that keeps me playing after 7 years when other stuff has gotten super boring.  I have a wonderful guild full of wonderful people that have all been playing 6-7 years.  Some of my closest friends in the guild have been playing 3-4 years and we just do stuff together.  It’s like a family.  I couldn’t imagine not playing a video game with these people.  That’s definitely what’s kept me going for all these years.

Tzufit:  And how did you find that guild originally?

Apple Cider Mage:  Like I said, my friends at the time that were really into Warcraft III also got into World of Warcraft.  We were all on a forum together, and my boyfriend now, who I’ve been with for quite a few years, he was also on that forum, and we were friends.  Him and a couple of other people from the forums that we were on decided that they wanted to play World of Warcraft together.  So the actually created the guild on the server I play on now.  So that’s where I got started because when I got my copy of the game I asked them, “Oh, hey!  Can I play with you guys?”  And they said, “Oh, Ok, sure!  Just roll up on this server and we’ll all be in a guild together.”

Tzufit:  Cool.  And you are now the guild leader of that guild, correct?

Apple Cider Mage:  Yes, and I’ve been since, I think, last year, when my boyfriend stepped down from the GM position because he really couldn’t dedicate the time to playing anymore because he was really busy with work and stuff like that.  He had just got really super burned out.  I have been an officer of the guild for almost my entire WoW career, so all I did was basically go from #2 to #1.  It was funny because I basically became the GM as a joke, because it was right as Blizzard had implemented the function to allow people to replace a GM in-game.

Tzufit:  Right, after they’d been idle for, what I think it was originally 60 days, or 30?  Something like that.

Apple Cider Mage:  It was originally 30, and that’s how I got it so quickly.

Tzufit:  Oh no!

Apple Cider Mage:  Because one of my other officers and I were joking that if Alex was gone for 30 days I’d take over GM position.  We counted down 30 days, and as soon as he had been logged out that long, bam, I just took over.  And not like anybody was going to have a problem with it, because I’d been there the longest and I was pretty much doing that job already in all but the title.

Tzufit:  That’s funny.  So did you warn him at all that there was a mutiny on the rise?

Apple Cider Mage:  No, not at all.  He still doesn’t play WoW a ton anymore.  But basically the day that it happened I was like, “Yeah, I’m GM now, so just deal with it.”

Tzufit:  Whoops!

Apple Cider Mage:  We demoted all his toons down to like a figurehead title and he’s completely content with that.

Tzufit:  Well that’s good.  Who is your main character that you play?

Apple Cider Mage:  My main character is Aislinana and she is a gnome mage, fire speced, because that is my one true love – is fire.  She’s just the cutest and I’ve been playing her since I started playing World of Warcraft.

Tzufit:  So she’s always been your main then, you’ve never switched?

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  I’ve had a lot of alts, and I did a little bit of raiding in the end of Cataclysm as my shaman as a raid main, but that was only because we needed a healer really badly for our 10 man.  But other than that, I’ve raided every level of content as my mage.

Tzufit:  Ok.  And I guess I should ask you too – what are your favorite things to do in game?  You’re definitely a raider?

Apple Cider Mage:  I don’t consider myself a raider too intensely anymore because I actually dropped out of progression raiding, 25 player raids, at the end of Firelands to go very casual raider with my guild.  So I dropped out of the raid team I was in and started doing 10 man stuff with them, but it’s very casual.  I mostly just consider myself a pretty casual PvE player in general.  I like to do heroics and scenarios and collect pets, and my big things are actually collecting achievement points.  I like achievement points and I like collecting mounts and pets.  That’s some of my favorite stuff to do in-game.

Tzufit:  Great.  So, yeah, kind of like you said, all around PvE.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, pretty much.  I used to do a little bit of roleplay, but I don’t really do that anymore.

Tzufit:  And I think you, like me, are on an RP server, correct?

Apple Cider Mage:  Yes.  I play on Cenarian Circle, which is one of the opening day RP servers that opened up in 2004.

Tzufit:  OK.  And then I guess, just in case we have anybody listening who isn’t familiar with your other WoW community endeavors, maybe you can tell us briefly about your blog, too?

Apple Cider Mage:  Ok.  I actually run a feminism and all-around WoW blog called Apple Cider Mage. I cover anything that interests me, but mostly from a feminist aspect.  I also am writing a mage leveling guide, although whether I’m going to be able to finish it before the next expansion comes out is anybody’s guess.

Tzufit:  Yeah, guides are just so time-consuming to write.  You don’t realize it until you’re completely sunk into that.  Next thing you know it’s like 3 hours later and you’ve only covered 5 levels.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, pretty much.  So yeah, that’s basically what I do.  So obviously that blog is what kind of inspired me to start a podcast in a similar vein as well.

Tzufit:  Great.  Well, I think that was all my questions.

Apple Cider Mage:  Ok.  Well now it’s my turn to interview you, Tzufit!  Tell the listeners – when did you start playing WoW and why did you get into this video game?

Tzufit:  I started playing WoW the summer before Wrath of the Lich King came out.  It was right around the time that the Sunwell patch happened.  I started, I don’t know if I had a particularly good reason.  It was one of those things where I was aware of Warcraft.  I knew that I had a lot of friends who played and it sounded like the sort of thing I’d be interested in.  I had kind of resisted trying it because I was afraid I was going to really like it and it would be a massive time sink.  I had one friend in particular who had gotten into it, and she convinced me to roll a character.  I kind of played around a little bit and then realized I really enjoyed it.  I made a few more characters, tried to find one that really suited me.  I eventually had a gnome warlock that I leveled with a couple of friends and sort of accidentally out-leveled them because I was having a lot of fun with it.

Apple Cider Mage:  That always happens.

Tzufit:  It really does.  And next thing I knew, I was – I guess upward of 40 or 50 and I was just having to find random people on my server to help me do my Dreadsteed quest because none of my friends could help me to do.  So I just started playing, I guess, because I hit that threshold of, it sounds like enough fun and enough people I know are playing that maybe I should check it out.

Apple Cider Mage:  I think that’s how a lot of people got into WoW and that’s why it grew so fast.  Kind of that social, word of mouth growth.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  And the time when I joined, since that was right before Wrath was launched, that was kind of at one of the biggest moments of the Warcraft hype that was happening, because everybody was so excited for the new expansion that was coming out.

Apple Cider Mage:  You said you started playing at the end of Burning Crusade, and obviously you’re still playing now.  So what has kept you playing World of Warcraft this entire time, several expansions later?

Tzufit:  Well, like you, especially in recent years, it’s definitely been the people.  It took me a little while longer to find my home and my guild.  So initially it was just that I wanted to see everything.  There was so much to do.  I reached Shattrath I think the day before Wrath launched, or something like that.  So I got to Shattrath in time to see the zombie invasion happening, which – I know that the majority of people seem to have really negative memories of that, but for me being brand new, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world.  I just was so happy anytime I got turned into a zombie.  I didn’t care if I died.  I just thought it was the neatest thing.

Apple Cider Mage:  It was definitely fun, yeah.

Tzufit:  And I can certainly see how, if you were trying to do anything productive while that was going on, why it might be a little obnoxious.  But from a novelty standpoint, it’s definitely been my favorite expansion event so far.  So, yeah, initially it was just being excited to see all of the content and I hardly got to do many of the BC quests before Wrath came out.  But then Wrath came out and it was like, “Oh, I’ve got to do this!  And I really want to try a death knight.  And I want to do all these different things.”  And then eventually I got into raiding.  I started out on a PvE server with the friends that I mentioned earlier.  When they stopped playing as regularly as they had before, I decided I wanted to try an RP server and see how that was.  I came over to Sisters of Elune, where I am now.  I eventually joined an RP guild.  I had a lot of fun with that.  I did RP for about a year or so with them and we had a raid group as well that wasn’t overly successful or progressive, or anything like that.  But we got through content and we had a lot of fun doing that.  And it was a great place for people to learn for people who had never raided before, and of course Naxx was also a great instance to do that.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  That was a really good starter raid, I think, for that expansion.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  Naxx was just such a perfect place to teach people how to raid for the first time.  For me, I started out – and I don’t know why.  Thank goodness I was a little naïve about this at the time, because I don’t know that I would have ever done it now, knowing what I do.  But I started raiding as a tank.  That was my first experience.  And I raided as a tank all though Wrath.  And then eventually I switched over to healing and I realized that I really, really loved that.

Apple Cider Mage:  It’s kind of funny.  When you first start playing any video game, I think, and especially one that has so many different classes or roles, you get into something and you really enjoy it.  But then you find that sweet spot.  You find that one thing that really motivates you and drives you a  lot.

Tzufit:  Yes, absolutely.  And it did take me a while to kind of settle into that.  And because of it I have had a few different mains over the years, but I think the thing that has been constant for me ever since I got into it is healing.  That’s where I’m going to be for the rest of however long the servers are online.

Apple Cider Mage:  Well that’s awesome.  So it seems like you’ve had a pretty interesting journey from just being a new player and seeing a lot of the cool stuff that happened between BC and Wrath.  You’ve sort of evolved from a new player to a veteran healer and stuff like that.  Now, is your main toon a healer, and describe them a little bit.  What class are they and that sort of thing?

Tzufit:  Sure.  Well, my first healing main obviously was Tzufit, my night elf druid, and I started playing her, I guess towards the end of Wrath I started with Tzufit.  And it was around that time that I joined my current guild because I sort of started to realize that while I enjoyed RP and it was fun, what I really wanted to be doing was raiding.  And, unfortunately, though I really liked the people in my RP guild and I enjoyed our raids, I knew that, if I wanted to get better and see more cutting edge progression, then I would need to apply to a raiding guild.  So I applied to the guild I’m in now, and at that time we were running primarily 25s.  So I did 25 ICC with them, and healed on my druid then.  I healed on her all through Cataclysm, and she was my first 90 in Mists.  But when the monk class was announced at Blizzcon a few years ago, I looked at it and immediately had this reaction of, “Oh no.  I think I’m going to have a new main.”

Apple Cider Mage:  Oh no!

Tzufit:  Yeah.  I’ve always been fascinated with the sort of damage-to-heal model.  I loved the idea of a melee healer, especially, but I had never particularly cared for paladins.  So when I looked at that and just kind of the look of the spells and the sensibility and the lore behind the class, I was like, “This really seems like it was kind of made for me.”  So, maybe – I don’t know.  I don’t think it was even 2 or 3 weeks after I got Tzufit to 90, I leveled my monk – I think I leveled her as a Mistweaver almost all the way because, especially early on before they nerfed the Mistweaver damage, there was just no point in even bothering to switch over to Windwalker for questing.  So I have been healing on my Mistweaver monk, who’s a pandaren – her name’s Hachidori.  I’ve done all of tier 15 and pretty much all of tier 14.  I think we only downed 2 bosses in 14 before I switched over to her.

Apple Cider Mage:  Was it really hard switching mains?  You obviously got your previous main to 90 first, so it sounds like you felt some level of responsibility towards her.  Do you still feel an attachment to your druid, and do you sometimes have like, “Oh did I make the right decision?”  How was it switching mains, as someone who hasn’t had to do that?

Tzufit:  Yeah.  It was totally bittersweet because I was having a lot of fun on the monk, and I felt a little guilty about it.  And it’s funny because, even now, I’m the guild leader of the guild that I’m in and I don’t log on to my druid very often.  I usually get on maybe once a day, just to check on mail and other things like that, and do any profession things that I need to.  But, realistically, my main this expansion has been my monk.  But I don’t want to hand over the GM spot to her because it doesn’t feel right, you know?

Apple Cider Mage:  Aw.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  So it was hard.  For me, I always kind of wanted my druid to be a little different because I like the night elves but they’re certainly not my favorite race Alliance side.  So I always healed, obviously, in tree form, because that was the only way that you could.  And when they took that away in Cataclysm, it was a little difficult to get used to seeing that character on the screen who I didn’t – I could identify with myself being this kind of crazy, wild, flailing tree.  I was Ok with that.  But being this night elf who had these funny, flippy jumps and these kind of goofy animations, for some reason that didn’t quite feel like me when I saw it on screen.  Whereas, like with the pandaren now, I look at her and I’m completely comfortable with that being the representation of me in-game.  So, you know, it is definitely hard.  I mean, everybody still calls me Tzufit.  That’s the character who’s pictured on my blog.  It’s how everybody knows me, both in my guild and in the WoW community.  But, yeah, my monk is my main, so …

Apple Cider Mage:  I think especially in the case of both of us having blogs, it’s really hard to separate the character we play in-game with the brand that you get associated with.

Tzufit:  Absolutely.  Yeah.

Apple Cider Mage:  Because I’ve always known you as a night elf because you’ve got a night elf in your blog header.

Tzufit:  Yeah, and I’ve got the night elf as my Twitter icon and all these different things.  But, it’s funny because that’s not who I play, pretty much ever.

Apple Cider Mage:  So you mentioned, though, that you’re going to have trouble handing over the reins from your druid to your monk.  So you are the GM of your guild, correct?  And what has that been like?  How did you get to that position?  Did you start there or what?

Tzufit:  No, I started out sort of bottom rung, recruit raider, prove yourself within the next 30 days kind of thing – that makes our recruitment process sound harsher than it is.  It’s not nearly that complicated.  But you know, when I applied it was me and a paladin healer who were up for a spot in one of the 10s that we ran at that time.  Since it was ICC, there were like 4 10s that were going on and then the 25, and all that fun stuff.  So I started out as a recruit healer.  I guess it was around the beginning of Cataclysm I was offered and officer position.  And the way that our guild works, we have sort of a council system for our officers.  There are usually about 6 or 7 at any given time, and while 1 person holds the GM position because you have to do that for the way guilds are set up in-game, we function as a council to make decisions.  It’s never 1 person’s say above anyone else’s.  I was part of the council since the beginning of Cataclysm.  Toward the end of Cataclysm, our guild leader took a hiatus.  It was Cataclysm, and toward the end a lot of us weren’t having a lot of fun.  So we were trying other games and experimenting with Rift and TOR and all that stuff.  And since he knew he wasn’t going to be around for a while, he asked the other council members if anybody would want to take up the reins.  I gave it a lot of thought because at that point I wasn’t sure.  I really didn’t want to take over for a guild that was dying.  But I went ahead and did it and tried to get some things in order in terms of trying to get us raiding again and working on some heroic modes in Dragon Soul, which we actually finally managed to clear on heroic.  That was pretty cool for us because that’s the first time we’ve ever cleared the heroic version of an instance.  I’ve been GM ever since.  Fortunately our old GM did decide to come back for Pandaria and he’s been raiding with us again ever since.  He’s my co-healer.  It all worked out in the end.  I was happy to take up the reins and get things back on course.

Apple Cider Mage:  I actually find it kind of interesting that we’ve both been GMs of our guilds for about roughly about the same time.  I think, going forward, that’s going to be a bit of a discussion point in our podcast.  Just for everybody that’s listening, I think that it’s going to be really interesting to touch on that kind of stuff, considering that being an officer and being guild leaders of guilds is a pretty interesting position to be in, no matter what your guild is like.

Tzufit:  Yes, absolutely.  And it comes with some very unique challenges.

Apple Cider Mage:  Oh yes.  I foresee an entire episode, perhaps.

Tzufit:  Oh yeah, I don’t doubt it.

Apple Cider Mage:  So just for our listeners, let them know where can we find you online.  Let us know about the other stuff that you’ve been working on in the Warcraft community prior to the podcast.

Tzufit:  Well I run a blog called Tree Heals Go Woosh, which again, made a lot more sense when I was playing a night elf druid.  I started that thinking that I was going to do primarily resto druid guides, and I wrote a lot of those at the beginning of Cataclysm.  And then I kind of realized that a lot of blogs and help sites already have the market on guides, so it’s not always the best idea to just repeat the advice that’s being given unless you have something to contribute to that discussion that’s unique or different.  As I progressed with writing and got a little more comfortable with the idea that I’m just going to write whatever I want, that’s pretty much what I started doing.  I think most of what I do now are opinion pieces or sort of my experiences in-game, the things that I like and that I don’t like.  Just where I think WoW should go.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  Honestly, I like reading those kinds of blogs more because, as a veteran player, there’s not many things about World of Warcraft that are foreign or new to me.  There’s not many experiences with classes or stuff like that that are vastly different from stuff that I’ve done.  So I always really like looking at bloggers and their opinion on the game content, and I find that’s the really compelling stuff that people write about.

Tzufit:  Yeah, I agree.  And that’s always the thing that I try to tell people when they’re starting out with a blog, too, is that you feel like it’s going to be those informational posts, those guides, that really draw people in and get you that traffic initially.  And that might work at first, but the thing that’s going to keep people coming back to your blog is if they want to read what you have to say about things.  If that’s going to be the case, you have to actually tell them your opinions and write about more than just something they can look up on Ivy Veins.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  When people start to get to know your personality, I think that’s one of the things that’s really essential to keeping an audience, because people just keep coming back because they generally like you as a person.

Tzufit:  Right, exactly.  And that’s sort of a bigger compliment, I guess in some ways, than saying “I appreciate that you told me which talents to take,” you know?

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  I mean obviously there’s some market for certain things that are a little bit more obscure.  I’m thinking of like gold-making blogs because that’s not always particularly evident.  But for the most part, I think it just has to do with all of the bloggers that I know that I follow regularly, they’re all people that I can list off, and people know who they are because they’ve just got their own take on things.  So it’s always just enjoyable to read what they say, even if it’s not serious or they’re just really good about being funny about stuff.

Tzufit:  And the best part is, at this point you could probably set in front of me a bunch of blog articles and not tell me what blogs they’re from.  But just based on the content and the subject and the style of writing, I can probably guess who wrote them.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, definitely.  Some people have their own very unique voice, as it were.  If you can get that down as a new blogger, or even an old blogger, if you can get that voice really finely honed, I think that’s usually what makes the difference.

Tzufit:  It can be a rough thing to do, because you kind of have to have the confidence to say, “I’m going to talk about whatever is important to me, and I’m going to hope that maybe it’s important to somebody else, too.”

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, absolutely.  I think in some cases, particularly with what we talk about sometimes – and this is kind of going to factor into what we’re going to talk about next – is that there’s a lot of topics or there’s certain critical lenses that open themselves up to a little bit more scrutiny, I think, in a lot of ways.  But it’s still something that’s really important, so I feel that it’s something that we need to talk about and something that we need to say.  As a woman blogger and a feminist blogger who routinely looks at Blizzard through that sort of critical lens, that’s important to me.  That’s the stuff that I like talking about, because that’s what I have experience with.  But it’s hard sometimes because it’s not necessarily a perspective that a lot of other people share.

Tzufit:  I guess that’s the nice way to put it.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  But I still feel that it has a resonance to it, and you have to take that risk sometimes.  And that’s one of the ways that I actually got a lot of my early followers, is I wrote some pretty scathing takedowns of some of the things in Blizzard’s game, or wrote things that were very, very personal.  And that actually resonated a lot more with people than I really anticipated.  It’s pretty important to do, I think, as a blogger.

Tzufit:  Right.  And that takes us nicely into the second half of the show, where we’ll discuss a little bit more about why we thought this podcast was an important thing to do and what we are hoping to discuss in the future.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  As you may well be aware, from what our byline is, we are a podcast that is Azerothian in nature, meaning we’re going to discuss stuff that’s in-game, lore and PvE content and things that are new and upcoming.  But it also means that we are going to be taking a feminist social lens, social justice, and I know that that’s not necessarily something that everybody has experience with, so we’re going to discuss what that is, why that’s important, why we decided to go with that as how we look at things in the show.

Tzufit:  So what sort of topics are we going to discuss?  I know, for example, one of the things we’ve thought a lot about so far is some of the characters in World of Warcraft – and Apple Cider has certainly wrote about this on her blog before – and looking at Warcraft lore through that perspective of social justice and feminism and trying to really dissect where we’re going right and, unfortunately more often, where we’re going wrong.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  We’re going to look at both the story aspects, plus Blizzard as a company, definitely the community because that’s something that affects a lot of us as players.  What do we mean when we say social justice?  I’m sure a lot of people know what feminism is, but social justice is a bit more of a broad topic.  Roughly, social justice is the perspective of looking to fix a lot of the societal inequalities such as race, gender, and sexuality.  And that’s a lot of the things we’re interested in in real life, because we’re both feminists and that’s what feminism generally seeks to change is social inequalities.  That’s what social justice loosely means, is to look at all of the intersecting inequalities in our society and see where we can fix them and critique things and where we should go going forward with that.  So that’s kind of what we’re looking to apply to World of Warcraft.

Tzufit:  Right, and I think that your point about the way that we’re going to look at the WoW community as well as the game itself and as well as Blizzard as a company is particularly important.  The community is sort of the thing that people most interact with on a daily basis, which I guess is a little strange to say because you would think that maybe it’s the game because you spend time in-game.  You spend time interacting with NPCs.  So you see all of that happening, but I think the messages that the WoW community gets from the game and from the company are interesting the way that it may affect the way that the community acts some of the time.  All you have to do is go into a random battleground or go into an LFR to see some of the negative things that happen there and we’ll certainly be covering those aspects as well.

Apple Cider Mage:  So we’re going to definitely be covering the community.  We’re going to be covering things like lore.  Tzufit was talking about earlier, certain lore stories, certain lore NPCs that factor heavily into – especially how women in the game are being portrayed, but also women in the community.  I definitely know that we’re looking to do blogger and podcaster and maybe, cross our fingers, somebody in Blizzard – women prominent in the WoW community.  So we’re definitely looking to have guests of that stripe to come on and talk about things that they find important and to talk about their projects as well.

Tzufit:  And if you, listening now, happen to be someone who would fit into any of those options that Apple Cider just listed off, we would love to hear from you, both if you would want to be interviewed on the show, if you would want to come talk to us, which we would love.  Or if you have topics that you’re interested in hearing us talk a little more about.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, absolutely.  All of those things are super great and we’d love to hear about them and we will actually give you ways to contact us at the end of the show in case you’re interested.  We’re definitely looking for community feedback, because the community is basically why we’re doing this.  So that also kind of factors into – why would we need to do a podcast like this?  Why is a podcast like this important?  And that’s one of the questions we asked ourselves when we decided to take this project on.

Tzufit:  And one of the things that we noticed is that, while there are a handful of women in the podcasting community, by and large most of the podcasters out there are male.  So we wanted to make sure we were offering a space where we could get a little bit more perspective on some of these issues and make sure that we have a safe space for anyone who wants to come in and discuss things with us.

Apple Cider Mage:  A lot of the podcast space is very male-orientated in that it’s not always inclusive or representative.  And that’s kind of the community in general.  So having a space that’s a little bit more representative of the community as a whole, and looking at the topics that affect us societally features into that.  I think that’s one of the biggest reasons why we decided to do the podcast, is also having a place where those kinds of conversations can happen, because I think a lot of the times those kinds of conversations don’t necessarily get the same space.  A lot of people just want to play World of Warcraft and not always tackle it from a social justice perspective, but when you do, it’s not always easy to say, “Well I want to have these conversations” and not feel like you’re going to get harassed about it.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  I think that’s a great point.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  Not that I’m saying that everybody gets harassed about it, but they are somewhat contentious at times.  So I think having a space where a lot of different people can feel like there are different concerns being addressed, or to have that conversation happen with people that are like-minded can actually occur.  So what we mean when we say a safe space for that, is that we are really going to try to have a podcast that is respectful to different people’s experiences, it’s respectful of us, and it’s representative of us, as women, first and foremost.

Tzufit:  And Apple Cider has posted a really helpful guide on our podcast website.  It’s listed under our “Please Read Before Commenting,” but it gives you an idea of what the terms safe space means and what things would not be allowed in a safe space.  So if you head over to our website you can review that and take a look at the general environment that we want to cultivate with this podcast.  And in addition to that, she’s also put up a resource list for some feminism and social justice terminology that you might hear us use during the show.  We are perfectly happy to answer questions about any of those terms, if people are unfamiliar with them.  But we also wanted to make sure that we provide just a primer, basically, for people who maybe unfamiliar with those terms or who want a little bit more information, because we may throw these terms out there occasionally and are probably not going to explain them every time.  So if you hear us say something and it sounds a little unfamiliar, head over to the website and see if it might be defined there or on one of the links that we’ve set up.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.  We’re both people that have been addressing feminist stuff for quite a while, so some of the things we talk about aren’t going to be explained in very basic terms.  We’ll try when we can because there is a lot to grasp, but we’re hoping that a lot of our listeners will know where to look.  And so that’s why we’re going to be providing the glossary and links and resource list for people who don’t necessarily know some of the concepts we’re talking about.  It’s a lot to take in at first, I know.

Tzufit:  But we hope that you will stick with us.

Apple Cider Mage:  Absolutely.  Have a little bit of patience, because it’s pretty important to us and we think that it provides a different sort of experience for people to come into the World of Warcraft game.  It’s kind of a different conversation.  We’ll try and be as helpful as possible.  If you do ever have any questions or concerns or comments, we’ll also be giving you contact information about that, because we really want to feel like if you do have any questions or are confused about something, we can help out.  We’ll be easily accessible via email and Twitter and stuff like that.  Never fear.

Tzufit:  Yeah, I mean it’s not like both of us are on Twitter pretty much every waking hour of the day.

Apple Cider Mage:  What do you mean there’s other stuff I could be doing?  And I think that’s also kind of an interesting discussion is just how much social justice and social media kind of dovetail together really nicely.  I think that’s a thing that we also are going to talk about eventually, in the future.  That’s one of the ways that I actually got into this as a blogger was social media in the WoW community and how big it is on Twitter, and Tumblr, and the forums.

Tzufit:  Right, you don’t really realize until you dive into that that there are just a ton of people out there who are really interested in having these sorts of conversations.  And you’re right, certainly, that there are some people who – it’s a game and they want to have fun, and they want to play, and I certainly have those days where I just want to log in and kill some orcs for a while.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah.

Tzufit:  But, I think that WoW is an important game.  It’s certainly been genre-defining.  It’s been around for a long time.  A ridiculous number of people have played this game at different points in its career.  So I think it is a very worthwhile discussion to have to examine what this game is telling us about these different roles.

Apple Cider Mage:  Absolutely.  I think for us as feminists, when you get into feminism, when you really get into that – it’s a way of looking at the world that you don’t necessarily get to turn off at the end of the day.

Tzufit:  Yes.

Apple Cider Mage:  That’s one of the really big problems is that it makes you look at all of the media you consume.  It makes you look at everything that’s coming into you in your daily life.  Definitely there are times where I go play WoW and just don’t think about it very much, but for the most part, it’s really hard not to look at it all the time in that way.

Tzufit:  You’ve seen it.  You can’t un-see it.

Apple Cider Mage:  Exactly.  So it’s kind of like, I think this is maybe a way of reconciling that.  We’re going to have this podcast so we’re going to have more of a place to spill our brains about what’s going on in our WoW lives from that perspective.  I’m really looking forward to the stuff that we’re going to talk about, and I hope that our audience is totally mega-hyped as well, because we’re hyped.

Tzufit:  Yes, and we should point out too that we really appreciate all the support that you guys have shown so far.  It was just so encouraging to see so much discussion on Twitter when Apple Cider first announced this.  And we appreciate Realm Maintenance, the podcast who just mentioned us this morning.  We are thrilled about that, so thank you guys very much.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yeah, seriously.  Mega shout outs to Rho from Realm Maintenance Podcast and All Things Azeroth.

Tzufit:  So we are very excited to start having these discussions and hopefully have other people participating with us.  We can’t wait to get going.

Apple Cider Mage:  We will probably be putting out an episode a week unless something comes up, but I think that’s what we’re shooting for so far.  We also might be doing live shows in the future as well, but I think we need to get our feet underneath us first before we start doing that.

Tzufit:  Yeah.

Apple Cider Mage:  Right before we go, if you do want to get ahold of us, we are on Twitter as @justicepoints.  We also have our website, justicepoints.com.  My Twitter personally is @applecidermage, and Tzufit what’s your Twitter?

Tzufit:  My Twitter is @soetzufit.

Apple Cider Mage:  And you can get ahold of us on the website.  You can leave a comment.  You can tweet at us.  You can send us a DM or something like that.  We also have a Gmail account.  If you have any questions or comments, anything you’d like us to talk about or read aloud on the show.  We are justicepointspodcast@gmail.com.

Tzufit:  And while we’re thanking people here towards the end, we should also send out a massive thank you to Safe Shark Hosting who helped us set up our website and got the website for us, essentially.  We owe many, many thanks to Safe Shark.

Apple Cider Mage:  One of the best blog hosts that I’ve ever had.  Safe Shark Hosting does WordPress migrations, blog hosting, podcast hosting, really great pricing, and the customer support from the whole entire crew is unbelievable.  It’s worth the money.  They will take care of you every step of the way, whether you are a pro blogger who’s been doing it for a while, or if you’re somebody new like me who has never done any sort of WordPress stuff before.  They will hold your hand.  They will make you feel better.  They will answer all of your questions, any hour of the day.  And they really go the extra mile for their customers, and really make you feel welcome and supported, especially in feminist blogging where a lot of times there are some safety concerns.  Safe Shark Hosting makes your hosting a safe and fun experience.  So definitely check them out.  They’re at www.safesharkhosting.com, and if you want to talk to them on Twitter, they’re @safesharkhost.

Tzufit:  And thanks again, we appreciate it so, so much.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yes, definitely.  A thousand kisses of gratitude.  So I actually think that wraps up our first episode.

Tzufit:  Yeah.  Thank you very much for tuning in.  We are looking forward to getting to really dive into stuff starting next week with our next podcast, and we will certainly put up some more details when we decide what that’s going to be about.

Apple Cider Mage:  Yes.  So, keep an eye out and we will see you next time!


1 comment

  1. Jerome

    “My one true love is fire.”

    Perfect! Thanks for ‘casting!

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